Hi What square footage would the 48 2 x 10 be?
That would depend on the snow load and other location-specific loads such as seismic and wind. We used 48 2x10s for a 30′ diameter hogan in Norwood, Colorado, 7000′ elevation, where the design snow load is 40 psf (pounds per square foot).
What does it cost to build a Hogan from start to finish???
It all depends on what you put into it, if you are building to codes, if you have a dirt floor, what your loading conditions are, etc. It can cost anywhere from $10 to $100 a square foot.
Best wishes, David
David Royer, Professional Engineer/Land Surveyor
San Miguel Engineering/E-Z Hogan
1510 Grand Av./P.O. Box 96
Norwood, CO 81423
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Q: What are the dimensions of your hogan designs? Are they available in different sizes, meaning standard size to large size for a ceremonial hogan?
A: You can use the length of horizontal 4x4s that you need to build the size of hogan you want, as long as the hogan is built strong enough to carry the load on it, such as the ceiling, roofing, wind, snow, earthquakes, etc. The diameter is about 2-1/2 times the width of one of the eight walls. For example, 10′ wide walls yields about a 25′ diameter building. That has about a 483 square foot (sf) area inside. Here’s a little table to compare sizes:
Wall width Diameter SF
8 20 309
10 25 483
12 30 695
14 35 946
You can use odd wall widths and estimate areas in-between those on this table if you want. Make it the size that’s best for you!
Q: Subject: Building the Hogan
So to start with, how big and where would this be?
Q: I see no activity on your web site since around 2011. Are you still in business?
A: Yes, we are still in business and selling more hogan brackets than ever, I finally sat down and learned how to update some things on the website.
So, how can we help you?
Best wishes, David
Q: How big of a hogan can a person build using your brackets?
A: The largest built as of April, 2013 is about 35′ in diameter. This has eight 14′ long walls. However, there’s no reason why a person couldn’t build a 40′ diameter building, with 16′ long walls, as long as the roof ring, rafters, and structural frame are sized and designed to carry the load. A 50′ diameter could be built with 20′ long walls and truss joist rafters. In either case, the building needs walls to support the top-of-wall beams and tension resistance around the tops of the walls. Areas would be 1236 sq. ft. and 1950+/- sq. ft. for 40′ and 50′ diameters respectively.
Q: Hello, I’ve been looking at your bracket kits and was wondering if you plan on (or have available) brackets for wall timbers larger than 4″x4″? I would like a beefier wall both from the standpoint of insulation, and point load at rafter ends. Ideally, I would like a 6″x6″ or 8″x8″ timber for the walls since I would likely go with the 30 ft. diameter hogan design. Website Visitor from Ramah, NM.
A: Hi, thanks for the inquiry. I’ve talked to about 5 people in the Ramah to El Morro area in the last week. We’ve sold kits to two ladies on or near the Ramah Reservation in the past. About the corner posts, when we first started doing this, I thought about going up to 6×6’s for larger structures, but never went there because I never felt the need to do so. For example, one family in Shiprock built a 30′ diameter 2-story frame with the brackets and made 2×6 tilt up walls and put them in place around the perimeter, addressing both the insulation and the support issues. I agree that support must be provided between the corners and, except for small gazebos, that’s what we tell people. By the way, the 4×4 posts will support several thousand pounds each, add that to the stud walls and even 2×4 walls carry quite a load. That said, the customer is always right, and we can make them for other sizes. Figure on 50% higher price (we’ll do better if we can).
Q: Do you sell the roof bracket separately, and if so, what is the price?
A: The price for the 2 x 6 roof ring that holds 32 rafters, sold separately, is $450 as of February 2015. A 32 rafter 2×8 roof ring costs $500. See Prices page.
Q: Where can I find a round skylight for the top?
A: We bought one from globalplastics.ca, a company on the Maine-Canada border. They make many sizes of plastic domes. The prices are on their website. the .ca (instead of .com) on their website is for Canada. The dome worked fine for us on a gazebo, then someone else wanted it so we sold it to them.